Dude, I can't even remember how to log in to Myspace...

Let what go?

Levi said the 9mm was p**** a**.

I posted the numbers other wise.

I got a bunch of anecdotal stories in return and insinuations about me having a personal agenda and being an armchair goofball.

To me, this says more about your point than about mine.

If you want to discuss the differences between 9mm and 9mm +p, that's great, but the g19 is rated for +p.

I don't care if you and/or Levi don't like the 9mm, but I was unaware this was an operators forum. I will not bow down and accept you as all powerful ruler because you've got anecdotal stories about it.

I'm enjoying myself, if you're not, too bad.

What year?

I just didn't like the Fords. Not a fan of Chevy anymore with OnStar. Maybe Dodge.

I don't like fords either, or dodges. I never saw a Chevy truck I didn't like. I'd take anything new though.

i googled "gore genitals" and the first thing that came up involved Rick Santorum and honey badger. i was a little grossed out. I feel bad for that honey badger.

You're funny, thanks for the laughs. Next time we talk calibers you should toss in some +P+ numbers as well and all the tables to go along with them. Then maybe when we're bored we can waste some more time comparing .22short, .22long, and .22 mag.

Like I said, nobody cares. Nobody's trying to emasculate you either but feel free to keep arguing your point if it makes you feel better. I several friends in the engineering field so I'm quite used to guys that think they know everything.Lmao.

If all of the number crunchers were as smart as they thought they were we'd be terraforming other planets and s*** by now.

Knock yourself out, guy.

Eh, I wouldn't own anything new from GM. I've had nothing but problems with my '06 Grand Prix. My '98 Blazer just got junked as well.

If I was to buy a new or new to me vehicle it would be a late model diesel Excursion or one of the new Power wagons.

What is this other than a waste of time? Isn't that at least half the reason we come here?



What is my point? I'm not even sure that you got it.



And if anecdotal stories meant anything, I'd be a Christian, no, a Buddhist, no, a Mormon, no, a Jew, no, a Muslim.

I used to swear by GM. My little S10 has been a great little truck.

Now, not so much. Don't like their new stuff.

I like their new stuff. I think they look good. As far as reliability goes, you're just pretending if you think "your brand" wasn't designed to break down so you have to have it fixed constantly or buy something new.

You keep falling back on "Anecdotal Stories". Anecdotal stories are basically stories that can't be backed up as fact. By that logic calling the example I provided an anectodal story is a bit ridiculous. The facts are staring you in the face, it was an event that happened. This would be no different from me telling you that your example was an anecdotal story. Laughable eh? You see how ridiculous this looks?

I think it's time to find a new catch phrase.

Yeah, the religious reference was well played. That would be a good example of an anecdotal story. The example I posted is not. Try again.

It had 220k miles on the odometer. Hated to run on days over 90degrees out though, that's no good here in FL. Final nail in it's coffin was the wife taking out a 2010 Nissan in it. Very minor damage but it was easier to junk it for $400 than to drag it 19hrs to AR when I move in a couple weeks. It wouldn't have taken more than $400 to get it back roadworthy but it would've been a hassle.



The new stuff looks fantastic, love the looks of the Grand Prix. The car itself though is s***. It's been nickle and dimeing me to death since I bought it.

You're supposed to trade it in before the warranty goes out.

That would be assuming the warranty gets honored to begin with. Multiple times I've had to do repairs that should have been warranty work. For example, when I replaced the driver side tierod at 18k miles. I just replaced the same one again at 80k.

From a Medical perspective, any bullet will put someone in the hospital. For example a guy who takes a .22 LR to the chest which goes through his lung, ricochettes off his scapulla and gets his pancreas, his spleen (which was later removed), and very likely his stomach. They had to cut his belly open and dig for the round somewhere in his intestines. They had to airlift his a** to the hospital and had to get a blood transfusion because he lost a lot of blood, the bullet missed his heart by a half inch (but if he was bleeding out the way he was, he probably knicked and artery). My point is not to glorify any specific caliber, my new opinion is all calibers do the same thing: Kill, some just work in different ways than others, .22s and .25 bounce around inside of people, 9s and 40s go through people and leave cavities, .45s and .357s blow pieces off. It depends on the skill of the shooter, and it is true that some people like your typical crack head, drunk, or Sherm Head can take some damage and still try to skull f*** your face but thats got to do with tollerance and what the drugs do to peoples nervous system. PCP makes people completely oblivious to pain, they've been known to slam into cars and not feel a damn thing, so maybe a .45 would be more affective, but I think if this guy is totally blitzed on the sherm he can take at least two more before he goes down. I think that any round is good for whatever you would like to use it for so long as you aim for the money shots, heart, head, and other major organs. But that's just me I like to think of my shots and accuracy based on human anatomy and where all the organs are. I also like to keep in mind how each bullet reacts when it penetrates, whether it exits, or nests inside, or skips around, etc.

we are past this tho i agree tus why i said shot placement but we are on cars and trucks now

Well there is five minutes I will never get back...

f***ing .25 won't even penetrate the ribcage, much less the forehead. It's f***ing worthless

hahahaha so f***ing true it is pretty worthless hell the 25 i shot was a Beretta and s*** jamed and stove piped more than any other firearm ive ever shot

So things like bullet weight and speed are "anecdotal"?



I agree, I misspoke and used the wrong term. What you are sharing is an individual event. If we are going to grant this individual event weight, we must determine if it is indicative of the way this round behaves, not some kind of isolated event, and if so, why. I feel that the first step in determining this is to compare it to known variables.

For example, it is one thing to say that GM products are crap and underpowered. It is quite another to compare horsepower ratings and longevity.


I was thinking last night about how this discussion got away from us. I think it is dependent upon what we are comparing it too. If Levi is comparing 9mm NATO FMJ to .45 ACP, I agree, it is deficient. However, just to say that 9mm is a p**** a** round, especially on a forum where not all will immediately understand the frame of reference is wrong, a position which I still maintain.